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Originally Posted by Blastphemy

Here’s an amazing example of how poorly Cadillac does at justifying the price of the ELR:

When the reviewer asks Chris Thomason (the ELR’s chief engineer) why the car has a base price of $75k, Chris answers, It’s an all-in type vehicle, so the base vehicle has all-LED lighting — headlamps and taillamps. As far as the cut sow interior — the leather, the premium materials — that’s base on this car; it’s extra on others. So there you have it: GM believes the ELR is worth $75k because it has LED lights, leather, and wood. Amazing. (As if no other $75k car has LED lights and leather!)

No mention of any real expensive features (see below), nor any explanation how this is one of the few concept cars to arrive nearly intact from the futuristic design showcased at the auto shows, nor any attempt to dismiss the premise of the question by demonstrating how the ELR stacks up to comparable $75k ICE cars — having many of the same luxury features PLUS electric drive PLUS an amazing aesthetic design PLUS an even quieter cabin.

Why are engineers riding around with reviewers instead of marketing people. Absolutely incredible. If Tesla can sell a $100k car with limited range and few luxury features, why can’t Cadillac sell a $75k car with unlimited range and a plethora of luxury features?


Every single person on this and other forums who dismisses the ELR as being an overpriced Volt and waste of money compared to the Model S has every right to feel that way since GM doesn’t seem to know how to communicate the most basic of messages explaining the value inherent in this car.

Why is it so difficult for Cadillac to express why the ELR isn’t just a rebadged Volt and has some advantages over the Model S that certain discerning buyers will appreciate more? For example, here’s a list of everything I could think of in the ELR that you can’t get on a Chevy Volt:

Regen Paddles Full-speed-range Adaptive Cruise Control Side Blind Zone Alert Lane Departure Warning Forward Collision Alert Rear Cross-Traffic Alert superior high-end Bose 10-speaker sound system LED headlamps, daytime running lamps, and taillamps Interior accent lighting Luxury front seats with 20 separate available adjustments accented leather incorporating sueded microfiber, chrome, wood, and carbon fiber finishes key fob tied to the driver’s seat mirror memory positions C.U.E. Infotainment system 20-inch Bridgestone Potenza RE97AS Eco 245/40 tires that provide superior traction fully recalibrated and reprogrammed software for powertrain control systems premium ZF electric power steering system front HiPer Strut suspension rear compound-crank with Watt s link suspension ZF-Sachs continuous damping control 7.8 seconds from 0-60 in Extended Range (ER) mode superior acceleration from 50-80 in EV mode (and even faster in ER mode) an improved reverse camera acoustically laminated windshield thicker front-door glass liquid-applied sound deadener applied to the floor pan, trunk and roof triple-sealed doors with acoustic perimeter water deflectors mass-efficient sound-absorbing dash mat and carpet system acoustic foam baffles inside body cavities and in between inner and outer quarter panels an isolated front suspension cradle with hydraulic powertrain mounts to isolate road and engine vibration Bose active noise cancellation system Power button moved far away from the Drive Mode button Improved steering wheel controls Heated steering wheel One of the most distinctive, … exteriors of any car near its price range And, of course, a powered cup holder cover!

That is why the ELR is twice as expensive as a Volt. If you go drive a Volt then drive an ELR, you’ll see it’s not even the same car. I’m not saying that much (if any) of the equipment is groundbreaking since most of it is available on other GM cars; but if people are willing to pay $40k for a fully-loaded 2014 Volt, then adding everything above to that at least brings one closer to accepting an $80k ELR that, with current lease incentives, only costs about $800/mo (compared to an $80k Lexus LS460 that costs $1,200/mo as of last week according to my coworker who was considering it).

Granted, the ELR’s EV range is 1 less than the 2013/14 Volt; the back seat has less headroom so your rear passengers need to be shorter; back seat access is more difficult due to having only two coupe doors instead of four compact sedan doors; the lack of a hatchback decreases the storage space and accessibility of the trunk; the EV-mode 0-60 acceleration time is identical to the Volt; and the ELR’s 0.305 coefficient of drag is just slightly worst than the Volt’s 0.28 (neither of which are as good as Tesla’s 0.24). Those negatives bothered me at first, but now that I’ve driven the car for a month, I don’t even think about them since I’m so busy enjoying everything else!

Now, I realize this is a Tesla forum, and that this ELR thread was not created to extol the benefits of the ELR over the Model S, but it’s very evident that some people trolling the forum are just spouting their uninformed nonsense because it makes them feel better about the $70

120k they dropped on the Model S. Believe me: I get it — we have a reservation in for a Model X, and I’m quite sure I’ll be needing some online validation after dropping that kind of change on a car when I could buy a house for it! But if you take the time to test drive an ELR, you’ll see that it’s does have certain distinct advantages over the Model S (and huge advantages over the Volt) if you can just get over the fact that the ELR can’t accelerate as fast as or hold as many passengers as a Model S.

I wonder if the people complaining about the ELR being a coupe also bitched about the $109k+ Tesla Roadster only having two seats (i.e. two fewer than the ELR)? Compare the ELR to the Roadster and, aside from acceleration, think of how much more you get for $30k less! Of course, if all you want is a 100% electric car, then I guess you would have paid $30k more for the Roadster.

Sorry that you can’t hear yourself think due to the road noise and have your fillings jarred out every time you hit a bump. And I hope you’re in excellent shape, because otherwise you may not be able to get out of the car since the seats are so low to the ground and unergonomic! I still remember my eye-opening test drive I took years ago, and couldn’t believe anyone would be so anti-gas as to spend $109k on that car when you could get superior cars for half the price. which is exactly what everyone here is saying about the ELR! lol.

Some people are just not rational or logical and don’t have any sense of perspective. what can I say? Nothing we can do about it, so enjoy what you love, even if others think you’re nuts!

My 2013 Volt is not a fully optioned car, so I don’t know if it CAN have some of the options you listed. However, it certainly has the 2 that I underlined.

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